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PostSubject: Teir upgrade   Fri Jun 04, 2010 5:42 am

If you've been on smogon latly then your sure to have heard that latias is now an Uber and salamence is now on a suspect ladder for ubers(yayy!). due to this we are going to have to upgrade teirs on our forum cause as we all know smogon is superior to our forum as far as skill goes. enjoy!
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PostSubject: Re: Teir upgrade   Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:58 pm

Yes, Latias is now Uber, and don't shift salamence yet. It is still a suspect, and still OU at the moment.
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PostSubject: Re: Teir upgrade   Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:21 pm

wow lol i dont use that pokemon anyway but too bad for the ppls who do :/

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PostSubject: Re: Teir upgrade   Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:59 pm

i dont like salamencre either. that means i get to try out a new team Very Happy

anyways why is latias uber? i never got mine to be very helpful
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PostSubject: Re: Teir upgrade   Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:59 am

salamence would suck in ubers TBH. and kado, you probably used it wrong lol
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PostSubject: Re: Teir upgrade   Sat Jun 05, 2010 8:54 am

lol i just dont use it i dont like it much :/ either of them

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PostSubject: Re: Teir upgrade   Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:01 am

First off, as Antz said, Salamence WOULD suck in ubers because Rayquaza can do it's job better. The only major difference between them is that Salamence learns Roost, which gives it a tad bit of an extension from Rayquaza. ~

So I conclude, Salamence really would suck in ubers and there's no point in shifting it, although I'm sick and tired of seeing it in OU. Maybe Dragonite would be back after Salamence moves off?

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PostSubject: Re: Teir upgrade   Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:16 am

oyay Dnite, the shittier version of salamence lol. i swear..theres gonna be SCARF sets for mence if it gets moved to ubers
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PostSubject: Re: Teir upgrade   Sat Jun 05, 2010 11:15 pm

Mence is 100% outclassed by Rayquaza in Ubers. Rayquaza has extremespeed, which you all forget. It is the ace in the DDQuaza set. Also, yes, more scarfmence and DD mence set usage will go up.
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PostSubject: Re: Teir upgrade   Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:38 am

I see plenty of Dnites in OU. Moving Mance to Ubers would be rediculous .__. annnd moving my precious raikou out of BL / UU would be a crime... >.> against me... >.> because i love it...
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PostSubject: Re: Teir upgrade   Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:23 am

people will be using the heck out of salamence before it becomes uber lol

i wish latias wasnt uber though 8(
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PostSubject: Re: Teir upgrade   Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:21 pm

Latias is perma uber nao? Scizor will probly be moved soon as BP can KO sooooo much Band Scizor has gotten me from 4 - 1 to a victory .__. though... i suppose people dont counter scizor anymore so thats why hes ripping through teams so easy
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PostSubject: Re: Teir upgrade   Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:35 pm

It is perma uber. And zay, they have to.. it's the #1 most used pokemon in OU...
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PostSubject: Re: Teir upgrade   Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:05 pm

Ive seen latias once during my last 10 battles and mance 0 and scizor 0 x.x


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PostSubject: Re: Teir upgrade   Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:48 pm

wuz you doin uber battles?
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PostSubject: Re: Teir upgrade   Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:18 pm

Naw but the battles were before Latias's UBERNESS
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PostSubject: Re: Teir upgrade   Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:21 pm

ok i swear in the other post you said LATIOS lol
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PostSubject: Re: Teir upgrade   Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:15 pm

someone explain why latias is uber? i didnt understand in earlier posts. I NEED DETAILS
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PostSubject: Re: Teir upgrade   Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:43 pm

Latias was kinda dominating OU.

It stopped NP MixApes, which are really pwn, and many other sweepers, due to it's numerous resistances and It's faster-than-most-OU-pokemon-speed of 350 with 31 IVs and 252 EVs in speed with Timid nature.

Also, it's movepool of Surf, Grass KNot, Thunderbolt, Draco Meteor, Trick (Which says bye bye blissey) pwns the hell out of pokemon. I mean, Choice Specs with Draco Meteor -_-

If you played shoddy, you would know, with regular laddering Razz

But now due to this infernape will dominate the Metagame even more than Latias did. Latias was one of it's main counters. Oh well. This will at least reduce the use of ABUSED pokemon. *cough* scizor, scarfTar *cough* since they were Latias's main counters.

So yeah, this will result in the rise in usage of DDMence, ScarfMence, DDNite, ScarfNite. (In the OU Tier only)

Now what you do is, get an infernape counter from one of the lower tiers.

But Kado, if you used Latias a lot, well I'm sorry. You'll have to replace it with blissey or something xD. Well, yeah. Don't tl;dr this post.
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PostSubject: Re: Teir upgrade   Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:56 am

Raikou, that was an amazing analysis.

I really don't think Infernape will me more broken than Latias was though...that;s one thing I don't agree with.

I've yet to find a proper Infernape counter, but pretty much All i can do is suffice with my Weezing XD. It's type will stall him out, although the moves will have a neutral hit on it.

Any Suggestions?
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PostSubject: Re: Teir upgrade   Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:13 pm

well i cant copy or paste from serebii here the link for infernape. just go to the bottom and you will see like 10 paragraphs how to destroy him LOL

http://www.serebii.net/potw-dp/392.shtml
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PostSubject: Re: Teir upgrade   Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:51 pm

Weezing is going to die to Fire Blast.

Definition of Counter: Something which can safely switch into the threat and KO the threat Razz

For example, Porygon2 to Salamence and Gyarados.

@Kado: You have tried to make mincemeat of what i have said and you are in love with latias. Nah.

Serebii says, "There isn't a single pokemon that can safely counter both physical or special sets but several come close." Read that?

Their so called counters are 1. Starmie 2. Slowbro.

+2 Infernape with Fire Blast does 95.4% - 112.6% to Starmie, meaning it can't switch in at all.
+2 Grass Knot does 117.8% - 139.1% to Slowbro.

3. Salamence 4. Dragonite 5. Altaria

None of them outspeed Infernape and infernape gets an Assured KO on them with Hidden Power [Ice], which 70-80% infernapes carry. They MUST be scarfed to KO infernape. Altaria is UU, you never see it, especially in OU... never.

6. Gyarados

+2 Grass Knot does 73.4% - 86.5% to Gyarados. 90% chance of OHKO with Stealth Rock Damage.

7. Moltres 8. Charizard

+2 Fire Blast vs. Charizard: 84.1% - 99.3% Are you kidding me..
+2 Fire Blast vs. Moltres: 77.3% - 91% Are you kidding me again?

They can't switch into nape at all.

9. Cresselia
+2 Fire Blast does 78.4% - 92.6%. Can't switch in one bit.

10. Swampert 11. Milotic 12. Manaphy 13. Vaporeon

+2 Grass Knot does 209.9% - 247.5% to swampert. I mean, wtf.
+2 Grass Knot does 101.8% - 120.1% to Milotic.
+2 Grass Knot does 67.9% - 79.9% to Vaporeon. Can't switch in.

Manaphy is Uber, wtf serebii.

14. Dugtrio 15. Azelf 16. Crobat

+2 Vaccum Wave does 92% - 109% to Dugtrio x_x
+2 Fire Blast OHKOs azelf, 100%. Can't switch in.
+2 Fire Blast OHKOs Crobat too 100%. Can't switch in.

17. Aerodactyl 18. Swellow 19. Jolteon 20. Gengar 21. Tauros 22. Raikou

Aerodactyl is never seen outside the lead position, but meh. Fire Blast does 91.4% - 107.6%. Can't switch in.

Swellow in invisible in OU and anyways, Vacuum Wave does 95.8% - 113% to it :/ OHKO with SR Damage.

Jolteon can not OHKO Infernape with Thunderbolt, whereas Infernape OHKOs with Fire Blast.

Gengar does not OHKO Infernape with shadow ball, whereas Infernape OHKOs it with Fire Blast.

Tauros is OHKOd by Vacuum Wave. Invisible in OU

Raikou is invisible in OU and OHKOd by Fire Blast. In short, None can switch into Fire Blast. Mabye you should read those "10 paragraphs on killing infernape LOL"

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PostSubject: Re: Teir upgrade   Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:03 pm

Pedobear! wrote:
ok i swear in the other post you said LATIOS lol
PURHAPS.... idk.... Latias Latios.... there names are to similair....
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