so DECIDE what to do !!!!!

we arent going to have a tournament with mixed ways of battling.
it will be an epic fail. its as you tell me that we have a football league and in a final there are playing a football team against a basketball team. i think its ridiculous.

the best for this place is to have different tourneys-one for shoddy and one for DS battling.

so please everyone who hasnt got a ds is asked to sign out from the current tourney sign up. we'll create the shoddy tournament very soon for the shoddy battlers.

members who have and DS and shoddy may sign up at both tourneys !!!

so please vote and reply.

poll runs for 5 days !

I don't know. Most of you hate Shoddy. You cannot organize a Shoddy tournament when only up to 4 people are going to sign up. That is lame.

Change your point of view. Either all of you start using Shoddy as a substitute battling system, or don't use Shoddy at all. Categorizing your members is the worst thing an admin can do. Its like saying people without WiFi are not worthy of battling here. Sounds racist, doesn't it?

Its just pointless running a Shoddy tournament when it is going to be played by Monakus Karion members and perhaps Azure...

So no, i disagree with your proposal, unless most of the active members accept Shoddy as a battling system. Why can't you battle on both Shoddy and DS? If you don't, then Shoddy battlers do not belong here. Its that simple...

i have shoddy i play shoddy but i dont use shoddy for tournaments etc.

i dont categorize members JUST having a mixed tourney is a fail.

ILIAS1 wrote:

i have shoddy i play shoddy but i dont use shoddy for tournaments etc.

i dont categorize members JUST having a mixed tourney is a fail.

Exactly. But organizing a Shoddy tournament without the participation of most of the regular members is bad too.

very right this poll and bravo to ilias. I will vote " i agree" and I will to dont start again this type of discussion here beyond on this program. If these members wants have theirs tourney the can but please dont asking become members in a team that you clearly base on wifi or we will appreciate their faculty in breeding and training. they can wins battles in shoddy because they have good strategic but the skill in breeding and training isnt high........

Raikou wrote:

Can't blame me, i don't have a DS, not allowed to buy one, and no WiFi. Cool, huh. Well, people who don't have shoddy can very conviniently download it, and load their DS teams onto it.

I don't see the problem, so i vote no. We don't have many active members anyways, and breaking them up is going to result in havoc, belive me. I don't see why they can't use shoddy against people with faulty wifi/no DS!

true we cam load them to shoddy BUT i repeat for 3rd time: shoddy pokemon lose more easily.

And what makes you think that Ilias?
Actually lets stop talking about it and get back on topic.

I disagree on having two different tournaments. We only have a few members that use Shoddy, and only about 5 or 6 members in a tournament is not fun at all, like Skoch said. I do propose a solution to the problem; The system which both battlers have is the system that should be used.

It's actually pretty nonsensical if you set up a Shoddy-only tournament, that's just sociologically discriminating based upon a choice AND fact! We should stick to one tournament at a time, because firstly, it calls for extra responsibility. Secondly, again, there is a way around it. And third, its discriminating to only call certain kinds of people to certain tournaments.

Shoddy is just as much of creativity as the DS.

Azure, i already suggested that. I suggested people should get Shoddy as their secondary battling systems. But nobody seems to listen. Shoddy will just never be used here, thats all.

cant make my battles on shoddy i lose 6-0 evry time.

Skochko wrote:

Azure, i already suggested that. I suggested people should get Shoddy as their secondary battling systems. But nobody seems to listen. Shoddy will just never be used here, thats all.

And that's a shame. If only its usefulness was realized. :\

ILIAS1 wrote:

cant make my battles on shoddy i lose 6-0 evry time.

Ilias, is that why you don't want shoddy?

Don't mean to be rude, but you gotta have skill. Winning on the DS, and losing on shoddy simply means you have major room for improvement. Doesn't mean shoddy sucks and all that. Also, PLEASE do not discriminate shoddy users, like some people *cough* srazy >.> *cough*. This rule is more like black or white. And for the umpteenth time, POKEMON ON SHODDY ARE NOT STRONGER. It's the battler! His skill! I know a person who had his pokemon's EVs adding up to 400, not 508, and he beat a person on shoddy with it.

alright. my main way of battling is wifi and DS. i'll gonna improve at shoddy and then i'll battle you.

THATS THE SPIRIT. And beat me next time. So please, can we have shoddy?

Raikou wrote:

This rule is more like black or white. And for the umpteenth time, POKEMON ON SHODDY ARE NOT STRONGER. It's the battler! His skill! I know a person who had his pokemon's EVs adding up to 400, not 508, and he beat a person on shoddy with it.

Exactly, well said Raikou! And Ilias, that's the spirit of a true battler!

Now we only want Shoddy to be passed as an official battling system as well. Of course, if an official debate is required to pass the rule, then I agree to participate.

u.u i don't like shoddy... i know some ppl have to use it but i don't... and i don't wanna... so i guess i won't compete any more cause i don't get shoddy and i won't use it so its not fair when i have to battle with shoddy when i can't use it right... and i got better things to do then learn about it so i am not gonna compete any more... i don't like this conflict though... i don't like shoddy BUT its not cheat and stuff i just don't like it and it slows my computer lots so don't think "O she's just a hater" cause i'm not i just don't like shodddy... theres nothin really wrong with it though sorta like some ppl don't like basket ball theres nothing wrong with it though they just prefer football... so ya...

Azure wrote:

Raikou wrote:

This rule is more like black or white. And for the umpteenth time, POKEMON ON SHODDY ARE NOT STRONGER. It's the battler! His skill! I know a person who had his pokemon's EVs adding up to 400, not 508, and he beat a person on shoddy with it.

Exactly, well said Raikou! And Ilias, that's the spirit of a true battler!

Now we only want Shoddy to be passed as an official battling system as well. Of course, if an official debate is required to pass the rule, then I agree to participate.

you agree with the idea of a different shoddy tourney ?